Chaos

Chaos is the plow
which tills the fertile earth
so that new seeds might be planted

»Mister Order, he runs at a very good pace, But old Mother Chaos is winning the race«
-Lord Omar Khayaam Ravenhurst, K.S.C.,
»The Book of Advice,« The Honest Book of Truth

I tell you, one must have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star. Nietzsche

Who decides what is order and what is chaos? Where does one end and the other begin, or vice versa? Would this endless puzzle matter, if only one were in the company of those (capital 'T' or not?) who knew exactly where the balance lay and never fell over the edge.....

I disagree with the idea of chaos being the field that underlies all things, and that it was prior to the big bang theory. I think that whole collection of ideas is an escatalogical viewpoint and very culturally biased.

Perhpas chaos is more a balance to the idea of order...both being present in any structure and necessary for existence.

I disagree with the idea of chaos being the field that underlies all things, and that it was prior to the big bang theory. I think that whole collection of ideas is an escatalogical viewpoint and very culturally biased.

Perhpas chaos is more a balance to the idea of order...both being present in any structure and necessary for existence.

One definition of chaos could be that everything is more complex than some people want it to be.

Chaos is only another word for the unresolved tensions that keep the world going round. We are pulled along by a black horse and a white horse (that's a sort of order) but the results of the tension between them is constant (causing a semblance of chaos), and if one horse ever becomes unhitched, the chariot falls over and all comes to an end.

So much for the Christian goal of a perfect world full of goodness and light.

Chaos theory, you know the one where someone says a butterfly flaps its wings in China and a Hurricane happens somewhere else?
Well I'll Explain it now:
Some scientist (whose name I don't remember) was working on one of the first weather simulations. He wanted to stop it, leave, come back, and restart it. So he wrote down all of the values of all the parameters in the simulation. He came back and re-entered all of the values. The simulation acted very differently than before. At first he was confused. Then he realized that he had rounded off the numbers. The difference between the acutally number, and the numbers he used was small, so small that it was compared to the effect of a butterfly flapping its wings and changing the air pressure.
Weather, and other systems, depend very heavily on current conditions, and small differences in current conditions will grow to huge differences over time. This is one reason why you should forgive your weather man if he is wrong about next weekend.
You may think that if we could just measure the conditions exactly we could predict the weather perfectly. If you think that, you are wrong. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle tells us that there is a limit to how exactly things can be measured. And even if we measured to the fundamental physical limit described by Heisenberg, those small errors would grow, and the weather predictions would only be accurate for a month or so.
So anyway, I basically said:
In some systems, like weather, small differences at one time grow to huge differences at a later time, and some people like to call this Chaos Theory.

chaos theory deals with, among other things, turbulence. fractals too. i'm drawing a blank here, half-remembering an old old cold-war joke about god and one of stalin's henchmen arguing over god's existence. god said something like, »who do you think created order out of the chaos?« and stalin's henchguy shot back, »who do you think created the chaos.«

i didn't get it then, and i probably mis-told it now.

out of the swirling chaos comes form and order...